tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post5905793758106497159..comments2023-10-16T07:13:12.123-05:00Comments on A plain blog about politics: Ach, LuntzJonathan Bernsteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15931039630306253241noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-71971024800642799202012-07-03T09:32:28.814-05:002012-07-03T09:32:28.814-05:00It's a funny choice, since Patient-Centered Me...It's a funny choice, since <a href="http://www.ncqa.org/tabid/631/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Patient-Centered Medical Homes</a> does mean something - and that something is set to expand dramatically under the PPACA.Maxwell Jameshttp://amba12.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-222246986739281762012-07-03T08:07:33.103-05:002012-07-03T08:07:33.103-05:00This is a great idea.This is a great idea.zicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-2192809800590866962012-07-03T08:05:13.177-05:002012-07-03T08:05:13.177-05:00I just read about a study where Doctors were paid ...I just read about a study where Doctors were paid to give speek about the benefits of a drug. Before, they many not have felt the drug in question was of much value. But after talking it up, their opinions re-arranged.<br /><br />In Republican politics, it's not what they do, but what they say that matters. Clear Skies didn't result in cleaner air, Healthy Forests in healthier forests. Tax cuts didn't stimulate the economy. The government didn't get smaller under their watch. But when the speak these catchy, poll-tested phrases, their conviction in them grows. <br /><br />It's not what they do, it's what they say that matters, at least short-term; and since they say it loud and often, they grow to believe it; they can say it with deep conviction.zicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-89296911461780568082012-07-03T02:13:05.298-05:002012-07-03T02:13:05.298-05:00You should probably vote Republican this fall. The...You should probably vote Republican this fall. They support patient-centered health care, rather than the government-controlled kind.davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-18919018443559405672012-07-02T22:46:08.769-05:002012-07-02T22:46:08.769-05:00Patient-centered is a focus of the ACA with the Pa...Patient-centered is a focus of the ACA with the Patient-centered outcomes research trust fund.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-55192706217916117062012-07-02T21:01:54.657-05:002012-07-02T21:01:54.657-05:00Also don't forget that Lunz makes a lot of dou...Also don't forget that Lunz makes a lot of dough coming up with bunk like this and selling it to GOP politicians, so I'm sure he pitches like grampa simpson selling his love tonic.longwalkdownlyndalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173899547449318257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-26369032619908402342012-07-02T20:21:35.609-05:002012-07-02T20:21:35.609-05:00JB, I think you overlook a fundamental GOP problem...JB, I think you overlook a fundamental GOP problem here. Back in 1993-94, when Clinton was trying to promote health-care reform, the Republicans did in fact come up with a substantive alternative policy. As soon as the Clinton proposal was dead, they dropped it like a hot potato, but the cat was out of the bag. Twenty years later, someone went and implemented it! Now, how can you ask them to take a risk like that again?Scott Monjenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-70705970467032097592012-07-02T19:52:21.049-05:002012-07-02T19:52:21.049-05:00Republicans who use Luntz-approved talking points ...Republicans who use Luntz-approved talking points do not intend to do anything at all on health care policy. They'll use phrases like "patient-centered healthcare" to appeal to moderates and alienated Democrats. Those voters may not end up voting for Romney, but a few soothing "compassionate" words may be all it takes to convince these folks to stay home in November, figuring that the candidates aren't too different.<br /><br />The idea is to get elected - period. Once you're in office you can worry about how to maintain your coalition. (If memory serves, George W. Bush had a few tricks up his sleeve to serve that purpose; think war, tax cuts, pharmaceutical giveaways...)Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913245096162048743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-83088535045548042792012-07-02T19:37:40.588-05:002012-07-02T19:37:40.588-05:00Still, that kind of statement can at least educate...<i>Still, that kind of statement can at least educate partisans who want to learn what the party line is;</i><br /><br />That's the political equivalent of carving gargoyles. It's nice to make them perfect, but waaaaaaay up on the cathedral no one can see the details you sweated over.<br /><br />It doesn't have to be that good to work.Davis X. Machinahttp://davisxmachina.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-38043663812023870622012-07-02T18:54:16.616-05:002012-07-02T18:54:16.616-05:00The difference is that Lakoff is a serious academi...The difference is that Lakoff is a serious academic and is basing his advice on theories of political psychology. It's easy to overemphasize the importance of such things -- class and regional differences are more powerful factors, I think -- but this is very different from what Luntz does, which is just flit from slogan to slogan and focus group to focus group. Hence the vapid, meaningless jargon like "patient-centered." If a focus group told Luntz that they liked the word "supercali-fragilistic-expiali-docious," he'd be advising Republicans to work it into every sentence.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-34870517446621923202012-07-02T18:42:08.382-05:002012-07-02T18:42:08.382-05:00Say, I like the sound of this "patient-center...Say, I like the sound of this "patient-centered health care." Where can I sign up for some?TNhttp://www.debris-slide.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-3584464910087919512012-07-02T18:13:14.716-05:002012-07-02T18:13:14.716-05:00Well, on the other side we have Lakoff selling sna...Well, on the other side we have Lakoff selling snake-oil. Fortunately not everyone is buying.Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14660252332090242623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-54678258603380523222012-07-02T18:07:04.700-05:002012-07-02T18:07:04.700-05:00I don't think there's any significant chan...I don't think there's any significant change in polling on this stuff since 1980.<br /><br />As far as getting what they want...sure, they can get tax cuts. But that's easy; it doesn't take any great communications strategy for stand alone tax cuts to be popular enough to pass. But what else did the GOP pass under unified government? They certainly didn't put a dent into Medicare or Social Security. They did get Medicare expansion, though.Jonathan Bernsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15931039630306253241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-34705453247926487282012-07-02T18:01:50.202-05:002012-07-02T18:01:50.202-05:00My response is that what even though Republicans a...My response is that what even though Republicans are advocating what they want indirectly, they are still making their positions more popular. I'm young, born in 1980, but it still seems that the extreme capitalism, get rid of the New Deal desired by Ryan and many other Republicans is much more popular now than it was when I was a kid. Nor do Republicans seem to have a hard time passing what they want when they win. Since they mainly want tax cuts and tax cuts are the easiest thing in the world to get through Congress.Lee Ratnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139895689217213860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-73256344182644801462012-07-02T17:44:51.801-05:002012-07-02T17:44:51.801-05:00Fair enough, but I guess I have two responses. One...Fair enough, but I guess I have two responses. One is that perhaps if Republicans actually argued for what they wanted, it might get more popular. The other is that this kind of fudging is one of the reasons that the GOP is a mess; they're not willing to adjust their policy positions to something that they can sell, but their also not willing to sell what their policy positions are. Things being as they are, that's not necessarily a big short-term electoral problem (because stuff like the economy steamrolls everything), but I do think it makes it harder for them to pass programs that they want when they win.Jonathan Bernsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15931039630306253241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-1228880601041134022012-07-02T17:41:42.841-05:002012-07-02T17:41:42.841-05:00My question is why don't Dems start calling Ob...My question is why don't Dems start calling Obamacare "patient centered" if it polls so hot? Republicans don't have it trademarked do they?Floundernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6926413038778731189.post-20180708639570108522012-07-02T17:40:59.415-05:002012-07-02T17:40:59.415-05:00My guess is yes but the problem is that Republican...My guess is yes but the problem is that Republicans really can't say what they really advocate, tax-cuts for the rich and going back to Lochner, without seeming like a bunch of really bad people. We had McConnell's telling comment about 30 million being uninsured not being the issue, which even shocked the Fox News interviewer. Or as Chait pointed, Republicans think health care is a privilege but this isn't something that you can advocate nationally.Lee Ratnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08139895689217213860noreply@blogger.com